Wild Justice in conversation with Jimmi Hill (new video)

A couple of weeks ago the three members of Wild Justice (Chris Packham, Mark Avery, Ruth Tingay) were interviewed by Jimmi Hill, the founder of the charity Raptor Aid.

It was a wide-ranging interview including questions about the origins of Wild Justice, ‘hidden agendas’, BBC impartiality, the different roles of the Wild Justice directors, hen harrier brood meddling, satellite tagging, licensing or banning driven grouse shooting, Natural England, future plans, and the big one – what music would be played if all three were in a car together, who would be navigating and what snacks would be eaten?

The 36 minute video is available to watch here:

7 thoughts on “Wild Justice in conversation with Jimmi Hill (new video)”

  1. I think I probably knew most of the things that were said but then I am as committed to getting rid of grouse moors, their awful management and raptor persecution on them as you three are. There will be folk in the wider world that are not like you or me that this interview inspires to join in or do more. As Chris eloquently said getting folk to stand up and make their voice heard is the key. Well done all involved.
    Ruth also touched on something I am particularly interested in, I don’t believe that Natural England was/is entirely honest about the number of pairs of Hen Harriers that were known to attempt breeding on grouse moors in 2019. Whether this is because they don’t know, because we don’t all trust them so don’t tell them, or inadequate field work and that is probably more a function of how many folk are in the field rather than any competence issues or of course deliberate suppression and not passing on the information by the Grouse shooting cabal themselves. I know there were more nests in North Yorkshire than NE tell us there were, yet I know they were told of one more nest than in the figures. What The hell is going on because if a government agency is not telling us the truth or indeed doesn’t know the full story to tell us what does that say about their handling of the DEFRA HH plan or indeed the state of Hen Harriers themselves? Interestingly their are no publicly available figures yet for 2020 perhaps that is significant in itself.

  2. Regarding Hen Harriers can they be introduced to Nottinghamshire? It seems that these birds would of once lived all over the UK – so surely releasing them away from the grouse moors would make sense – they don’t have as I understand a select diet but a diverse one – which they can prey on like voles, other birds – I know they like song birds but is it better they eat something that is part of the ‘real food chain’ than being persecuted – has it been tried anywhere else? We also offer small pockets of heather land? Or would they make their way to the moors?

  3. Jimmi, would you like to come to interview us. as our experience of “no evidence supporting policy” is pretty much the same, but instead of hen harriers, it is bees?

  4. Interesting discussion. I suppose Wild Justice might decide ‘job done’ when all decisions by Natural England (et al) are legally robust. That was plainly not the case, but I wonder, even now, if a fair part of that victory has already been achieved. Going forward, complete honesty says that there will be diminishing returns. Not this year, maybe not next, but sooner rather than later the big win will have been won. After that, high legal costs for low win rates will be hard to justify as good use of activists’ funds. There is an opportunity cost for everything and ¬£30,000 on a lost case ‘just because it is right’ (and will enhance public awareness) has to be justified agains all other, perhaps more value-adding , expenditure also made ‘because it is right’. Government used to have a rule of thumb that it only fought JR cases if the chance of winnng was 50% or above. That is a defensible use of public funds, even if it has got a bit more complicated since. Interestingly to be contrasted with environmental challenges having a win rate of 4%. Good use of crowdfunded funds? Happily Wild Justice has a 100% rate so far, what’s not to like about that.

    1. I can see your point, but the comparison between justifying the government ‘taking on’ cases that are seen as having a high likelyhood of success when spending public money…money that is taken for the treasury, that we dont have a direct choice in the spending of, (except in who we vote for), whereas WJ will put forward a case they want to challenge, and generally it is then up to the individual to decide if that is worth their donation to do so. I say generally, because if you donate to WJ when these crowd funding requests occur you have that opportunity to decide, whereas if you donate to the ‘company’ itself, DD perhaps then you are obviously donating to keep WJ in existence, but it will also be used if necessary for these cases, so you are contributing to the ‘broader picture’. But, if you have donated willingly, knowing the cause, then, perhaps’ no justification is required.
      I dont necessarily agree with Chris,that is isnt about the winning…I would say it is absolutely, but not winning does not mean no good has come of it. ‘No publicity is bad publicity’.

  5. The real worry is that if Paul Irving and his cronies have their way, then the section to really suffer from such wanton vandalism will be the birds of prey themselves – the logic of this seems to be missed and all so often by those who have a tunnelled vision, they’re simply looking through the wrong end of the telescope, often accompanied by a doctorate in something or other, though sadly not logic or simple common sense.

    Is there anyone amongst those who want to change the wonderfully evolved ecology which we have, who can explain to me just how birds of prey will prosper when their main food supply is removed?

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